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Not long ago, Bill Zender, manager of the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas and a former counter, publicly hinted he had picked out Carlson from an old surveillance videotape and was fixing to throw him off his property the next time he tried to play. But that would have to be someone with nothing else on his mind--I mean like an idiot savant. Big mistake. Now he can get the software and test almost anything. But Thorp was snagged. Some, like Zender, go into casino management. His guiding principle is to look as if he belongs and, in fact, he fits into the clientele of high rollers and Southern California weekend revelers like a Mercedes-Benz in a Brentwood driveway. He motions for a hit and draws an eight, busting his hand with As the dealer sweeps away his stack of black chips, a gallery of onlookers murmurs sympathetically. Complete Basic Strategy charts are available in bookstores but these seven rules cover the majority of plays. The dealer cannot split a pair and must draw up to a total of 16 and stand on 17 or over. Years of court cases have established that it is merely a highly sophisticated way of using information available to everyone at the table: what cards have been dealt. During his counting career, he ran six-player teams in which three played and three scouted the tables. Brown leather jacket, cashmere scarf. The idea of matching wits with the casinos has attracted thousands of combatants. But Thorp was not much of a gambler no bankroll and he used his system mostly as grist for academic papers. His last article for the magazine was about Ethiopia's rediscovery of its archeological history. Expert estimates of the number of counters relying on blackjack as a full-time career range from a few dozen to several hundred. So a few weeks later Thorp, Kimmel and two bodyguards flew to Nevada. March 12, Hiltzik is a Times financial writer. The simple reality of casino gambling is that the house reigns. About Us. But often the problem is more subtle, like inadequate card-handling that allows attentive players to track clumps of valuable cards through the shuffle. In fact, the ability to withstand the fluctuations is what distinguishes the pro from the counter wanna-be. Brand Publishing. Carlson detaches himself from the crowd and casually moves on, checking out the other tables, looking for one where the action suits him and his methods. The casinos can only be relieved by that. The dealers score blackjack after blackjack and repeatedly sweep the table clean. Wong flashed the promotion on Dec. It manipulates the odds, dictates bet limits, controls the rules. Unlike such stunts as marking cards, card-counting is not considered cheating, a felony in Nevada. Hot Property. In , Edward O. Nor are counters exempt from the grim laws of probability. After placing a bet, each player receives two cards, either face up or face down, depending on house rules. A player dealt an ace and card has a natural blackjack, and is paid 3 to 2 on their bets unless the dealer has a natural, in which case the hand is a tie. But the ranks of card-counters with winning records also include plenty of retirees, women and party animals. This is why many counters constantly look for ways to make earning money from blackjack more compatible with having a real life. The player makes an additional bet of up to half his original wager; if the dealer has a blackjack, the player gets 2 to 1 on his insurance bet. He and a friend worked as dealers for the summer and spent all their free hours at the tables. Although Griffin, 57, never played professionally, his impact on the game--and vice versa--is perhaps greater than if he had. Saturday night, about an hour short of midnight, and Bryce Carlson is on the prowl.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} The dealer gets one up and one down. The battle takes its toll. When the late player Ken Uston won a court order forcing Atlantic City casinos to deal to all comers, owners responded by dealing eight decks together and reshuffling after four. He later earned a doctorate in finance from Stanford, taught at several institutions but decided that blackjack was the best way to satisfy his lifelong fascination with puzzles. There might be a way to beat it. A player using Basic Strategy, the optimal play of a hand based on the composition of a complete deck, will reduce his disadvantage against the house in a multiple-deck game to about 0. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Under faux-bamboo canopies, 80 blackjack tables hum like hives. All he sees is another fish on the line. If casinos could not bar skilled players, they would find ways to make the games unbeatable. He is also a brilliant mathematician with transcendent counting skills--but with no taste for high-stakes playing. Wong first visited Las Vegas in at the age of 21, having read Thorp between classes at the Oregon State University. Counters know that the Nevada casinos are determined to protect their blackjack games. I can make far more money just sitting here and thinking about things than taking myself off to the casino. The casinos make money from blackjack because most players are destined to lose. One of these came to the attention of a reporter, who wrote it up. The process is called card-counting but it is much more than that. Snyder believes that a counter playing well enough to make a living might have a career span of only five years or so before he becomes too well known. En route to that 1. Times News Platforms. Nice gold watch but no other jewelry to attract attention. If a player is dealt a pair, he can make a second bet equal to the first and split them into two separate hands. But the stupefying slowness in shuffling eight decks frustrates casino owners as much as it does the players; a slow game costs the house money. Snyder is a high-school graduate and former postal worker who began counting in The answer was to publish. Peter Griffin played blackjack in to get some experience for a Cal State Sacramento course he was preparing on the mathematics of gambling. Just last December, the Alton Belle, an Illinois riverboat, decided to pay a generous 2 to 1 instead of the normal 3 to 2 on player blackjacks every Tuesday that month. Before he left, he read an article describing an optimum playing strategy for blackjack. Times Store. What he sees is an average player, chatty, friendly with the dealers. Facebook Twitter Show more sharing options Share Close extra sharing options. Thorp, now 62, lives in Newport Beach and runs a successful money-management firm specializing in securities. Her pit boss glances over, marks the big action and nods. Not everyone believes this, but much of the blackjack world is awaiting the showdown. Now he runs a consulting service from a pleasant home in Henderson, just outside of Las Vegas, where he takes calls from fretful casino executives all over the world. But the lure remains. You have to be secretive. He accepted the proposal of an East Coast millionaire named Emanuel Kimmel, a gangster; his mob nursed a grievance against the mobs that owned the Reno-Lake Tahoe casinos. What they have in common is an aptitude for numbers--although the math is not necessarily complicated--and the discipline to excise superstition and emotion from their play and bet exactly as the count dictates. Ask almost any counter how he got started, and sooner or later the answer will come around to ". Within days Thorp was deluged with offers to finance a working demonstration. If there is no blackjack, the insurance bet is lost. Where Griffin plays the math genius out on a lark, Stanford Wong born John Ferguson in Oregon about 51 years ago has the persona of the stern, even severe, professor subjecting the game to unforgiving scrutiny. Wong is unrepentant. The typical counter, as the casinos see him, is young, male, serious and introverted. In most casinos, even a non-counter playing flawless Basic will face only a 0. To beat the house consistently demands not only skill and luck, but guile. At the level I play, the short-run fluctuations are in the range of a few thousand dollars. Forte knows more ways to beat the game some legal, some not than any man alive. After the two cards have been dealt, a player can double his bet and draw only one additional card.